Bishop Gregory (hgr) wrote,
Bishop Gregory
hgr

Moss (это фамилия) зажигает

Well, it's nice to know that you know that you're not infallible. But what's
worrying is the fact that you are more fallible now than you were in the past,
that you were right in the past and are wrong now.


это он говорит по поводу какого-то человека из РПЦЗ(Л), который написал
> When I was a student at Jordanville, I wrote an article
> in "Pravoslavnaya Rus" in which I attacked the present Patriarch, after
> I had met him (he was then Metropolitan of Talinn).
>
> None of us is infallible. There is no good in pretending we could never
> have been mistaken in the past.
(это прот. Джон Шоу).

но слова Владимира Мосса -- отличный эпиграф ко всем деятелям РПЦЗ(Л) вместе взятым. прямо вольтеровский стиль! :-)

вся дискуссия у них там возникла в связи с прот. Александром Лебедевым, который сейчас среди главных защитников МП, а в 1994 г. выпустил какую-то очень известную брошюру против МП, в эдаком идиотско-потаповском стиле. Александр Лебедев интересен тем, что среди идеологической обслуги разных юрисдикций это наиболее чистый тип "богослова-флюгера", улавливающего даже самые мелкие колебания ветров, пускаемых архиереями.

некто Владимир Козырев (РПЦЗ(В)) комментирует тезис Джона Шоу о том, что все сейчас в РПЦЗ(Л) переменили свое мнение об МП, делая вывод, что, выходит, они сами признали, что они изменили историческому курсу РПЦЗ. помещаю его письмо (англ.) под лже-кат.


Dear Father John, bless.

Thank you for your enlightening comment about Father Alexander
changes. I noticed that you like to point out that things and people
change with time.

If it is established that Priest P. Cantacuzen (now bishop Ambrose)
changed his mind since he published his pamphlet in Geneva) (Message
8505), if so did you, Father Alexander Lebedeff, Father George Larin,
Bishop Kyrill of Seattle since he wrote "The Spiritual Dead-End Path
of the Moscow Patriarchate"

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/resistance/mp_deadpath.htm,

and since he published, then removed from the ROCOR oficial website
his reaction to the 2000 epistle from the MP, if did the sobor of
bishops changed its mind too since 1974 (Message 8502), can one speak
legitimately of a "new path" in the ROCOR (That is, a new analysis,
more adapted to the times)?

In God,

Vladimir Kozyreff


--- In orthodox-synod@yahoogroups.com, "Fr. John R. Shaw"
<vrevjrs@e...> wrote:
> X.B.!
>
> > Please consider that what you are suggesting has been
categorically
> > opposed by Fathers Alexander Lebedeff and George Larin, as seen
in
> > the text below. The latter is taken from a letter that they wrote
to
> > the Sobor of our Church in 1994, as a reply to a suggestion to
unite
> > with the MP ("the address"):
> >
> > "How can one enter negotiations with such infringers of
concluded,
> > agreements, bound by all possible signatures and seals (the MP)?
>
> JRS: When confronted with this and similar earlier writings, a few
> weeks or months ago, Fr. Alexander said simply that he had studied
the
> present situation, and changed his opinion.
>
> When I was a student at Jordanville, I wrote an article
> in "Pravoslavnaya Rus" in which I attacked the present Patriarch,
after
> I had met him (he was then Metropolitan of Talinn).
>
> None of us is infallible. There is no good in pretending we could
never
> have been mistaken in the past.
>
> In Christ
> Fr. John R. Shaw
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